Friday, January 21, 2005

Shit into Caviar

YTD: +$3290.00

Ok, I'm officially giving up the 5-10 on Stars. Sure I have been unlucky, but I have also played pretty damn poorly in it too. In fact if I had sacked the 5-10 games at the start of the month, instead of now, I would be nearly $5k better off. So for now, multitabling it is instead.

Another quick comment before we get into the hand thing. I picked up Phil H's Play like the Pro's whatever book for a quick browse in Borders today. What a laugh. I'm sure the assistants were wondering what the tall fat guy in the Games section was chuckling at. The PLO section was a joy and pure Phil. If you feel like you want to buy it, send me the money instead - I have a roaring fire burning in my hearth that will save you the trouble.

Here's a very strange hand of PLO8b:

Game - (blinds $2/$4) Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo 8 -

Table "Fort-de-France" (real money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($390.75 in chips)
Seat 2: OregonG ($205.75 in chips)
Seat 3: jackthepump ($426.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Villan ($789.50 in chips)
Seat 5: hunidoo ($432.50 in chips)
Seat 6: SmartyGL4110 ($118.75 in chips)
Seat 7: dauni ($1,120.50 in chips)
Seat 8: jbrave ($131.00 in chips)
Seat 9: sparky5 ($338.00 in chips)
Seat 10: PBAKID ($209.75 in chips)
PBAKID : Post Small Blind ($2)
Hero: Post Big Blind ($4)
jbrave : Post ($4)
Dealt to Hero [ 6h Qh 9d Jd ]
OregonG : Fold
jackthepump: Call ($4)
Villan: Call ($4)
hunidoo : Call ($4)
SmartyGL4110: Fold
dauni : Fold
jbrave : Check
sparky5 : Call ($4)
PBAKID : Call ($2)
Hero: Check

Free Garbage!

*** FLOP *** : [ 8h Ah Td ]

I've hit a really interesting flop. Of course there are lots of ways, against the field, that I could be in trouble, but the best way to find out is to bet.

PBAKID : Check
Hero: Bet ($20)
jackthepump: Fold
Villan: Raise ($88)
hunidoo : Fold
jbrave : Fold
sparky5 : Call ($88)
PBAKID : Call ($88)

This guy can be erratic, and the value is there for the str8 draws alone.

Hero: Call ($68)
*** TURN *** : [ 8h Ah Td ] [ Qs ]

PBAKID : Check

This is quite a good turn. I have the second nuts. However this is hilo and the pure nuts is much less likely to be here, especially as I have one blocker. If I check, it may get checked around, which would be ugly; if someone else bets I may call anyway. I need to make the low draws pay now.

Hero: Bet ($298.75)
Villan: Call ($298.75)
sparky5 : Call All-in ($246)
PBAKID : Call All-in ($117.75)
*** RIVER *** : [ 8h Ah Td Qs ] [ Qc ]

Bad river :-(

*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $848 | Side pot 1: $384.75 | Side pot 2: $105.50 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 8h Ah Td Qs Qc ]
Hero bet $390.75, collected $1,338.25, net +$947.50 (showed hand) [
6h Qh 9d Jd ]
HI: a straight, eight to queen
Villan lost $390.75 [ 4h 8s 2s 3h ]
HI: two pair, queens and eights
sparky5 lost $338 (showed hand) [ 4c 3s 2h Jh ]
HI: a pair of queens
PBAKID lost $209.75 (showed hand) [ Kh 8d 7h 9c ]
HI: two pair, queens and eights


An interesting thing about the hand is that if you run some twodimes sims, my equity on the turn is massive, even though a lot of cards were bad for me. It wasn't even that bad on the flop either. This is the way in which 8b is very different than hi only. It is very common, even starting with garbage, to have a hand that is absolutely crushing the opposition, especially if they are drawing for lows. This hand is a freak in that basically all the flush draws were dead, but it still shows that the game is one of playing big edges, not small ones. If only I could remember that in the 5-10 game :-)


Anonymous said...

Excellent post. I'm from the U.S. and I find this game to be interesting as well as maddening. Appreciate your analysis and altrusic reasons for sharing your knowledge. I am beginning to understand the importance of position these days. Found that I have done better playing less hands, and focusing on reading my opponents. Used to play every flushed ace, out of position, and payed dearly when the pot was raised 2 or three bets behind me. Anyway, just wanted to give some positive feedback. Keep up the good work.

Big Dave D said...

Hi Anon,

Thanks for the post. I think we have all suffered from "playing too many hands" syndrome. I think some useful things to keep in mind, or at least they help me, are (a) you can limp and pass if its raised; you don't have to call (b) play tighter up front and more aggressive at the back. Nearly all my raising is from later positions.



Sultan said...

I am just starting to play Pot Limit Omaha seriously and I wondered if you had happened to have read the Pot Limit Omaha section of Doyle Brunson's Super System 2, written by Lyle Berman, and if so, what did you think? Thank you and I enjoy your blog.

Anonymous said...

Hi Dave , love your site read it reguraly , thx .
Could you cast your eye over this hand and tell me your opinion , the aa folded in seconds , I doubted him that much I asked for the HH (yes he sent me the right one) , incedentally it wasnt me with the 4 :)

Sorry couldnt get the converter to work to mask the names :(

Hand Number: 156,118,994
Table Number: 1,779,828
Event Name: Table Valachi (#1324314)RNHB
Event Started: Monday January 24th 3:33:41 PM CST 2005
Event Type: BugsysClub Real Money Ring Game
Game: Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
Stakes: $0.10/$0.25 Blinds ($0.05 Minimum Chip)
Seat 1 : Rugbytv starts with $18.95
Seat 2 : terrellk11 starts with $18.15
Seat 3 : andy p starts with $7.55
Seat 5 : Coloradolady starts with $19.90
Seat 6 : grizzly66 starts with $16.70
Seat 7 : Sailor starts with $7.20
Seat 8 : bikerchick starts with $17.10
Seat 9 : mdterps starts with $26.05
Seat 10 : coaminer50 starts with $28.05
Seat 3 : andy p has the dealer button
Coloradolady posts the small blind $0.10
grizzly66 posts the big blind $0.25
mdterps dealt down 6h Ad Ah Qs
Sailor folds
mdterps calls $0.25
coaminer50 calls $0.25
Rugbytv folds
terrellk11 folds
andy p calls $0.25
Coloradolady calls $0.15
grizzly66 checks
[ Ac 4s 4c ]
Coloradolady checks
grizzly66 checks
mdterps bets $1.20
coaminer50: hm
coaminer50 calls $1.20
andy p calls $1.20
Coloradolady folds
grizzly66 folds
>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ 4d ]
mdterps checks
coaminer50 bets $4.65
andy p folds
mdterps: your not my friend anymore
mdterps folds
coaminer50 takes back $4.65
coaminer50 cards were Jc 4h 2s Jh
coaminer50 wins $4.65
mdterps: nh aa
Hand Ended: Monday January 24th 4:30:53 PM CST 2005
Total Pot: $4.65 ($0.20 rake)
Board: [ Ac 4s 4c 4d ]
Seat 1 : Rugbytv did not bet, folded pre-flop
Seat 2 : terrellk11 did not bet, folded pre-flop
Seat 3 : andy p (button) lost $1.45, folded on the turn
Seat 5 : Coloradolady (small blind) lost $0.25, folded on the flop
Seat 6 : grizzly66 (big blind) lost $0.25, folded on the flop
Seat 7 : Sailor did not bet, folded pre-flop
Seat 8 : bikerchick did not bet
Seat 9 : mdterps lost $1.45, folded on the turn
Seat 10 : coaminer50 bet $1.45,
won $4.65, net +$3.20, showed hand [ Jc 4h 2s Jh ]

Big Dave D said...

Sultan - I stil havent got it yet from a month now :( When i get it i will let u know.



Milkybarkid said...

Hi Dave

So we finally clashed on the tables on Stars!

Mind you we were hardly involved in a Pot together and i was too busy concentrating on milking someone playing heads up.

I'm leaving the $5/$10 game alone for the time being as well... seems i can be +$1000 or -$1000 to easily and i don't want to add more to my bankroll on which is currently only $5000 so not big enough for the swings!

Big Dave D said...


Sorry for the delay on commenting on the hand. To be frank I dont understand it all. Why with what is 99% likely to be the nuts does the AA bet out the full pot? Why on the turn, does what is 100% the nuts bet the full pot? This is the problem with micro-limit PLO. Almost no one takes it seriously. Whilst this makes it a good money earner it also makes it especially hard to move up the grades as you dont really pick up any transferable skills whilst you a shooting especially dumb, finless, plump fish in a very small barrell.