Thursday, February 10, 2005

Rushin' Roulette

YTD: +$25965.30

There was some interest in my posting hands from my rush, which I'm *almost* going to resist. The problem is that when you are hitting this well, most of the hands are fairly uninteresting. It’s mostly a question of having hold of someone by the bollocks and gently squeezing. Or maybe roughly. This does not make great reading. So instead, I'm gonna post those hands that I won, but played really, really bad :-) But from now on, interesting hands only, whichever way the rush is going!

The first hand is so bad I can’t even comment on it – it speaks for itself:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (9 handed)
saw flop|saw showdown
CO ($432.50)
Button ($266.90)
SB ($456.40)
BB ($109)
UTG ($837.75)
UTG+1 ($728.20)
MP1 ($684.95)
MP2 ($285)
Hero ($743.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Js, 7h, Qs, Td.
UTG calls $4, UTG+1 raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, SB calls $6, BB raises to $52, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $44, Hero calls $44, Button folds, SB calls $44.

Flop: ($220) 3s, Jd, Kc (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $57 (All-In), UTG+1 raises to $388, Hero calls $388, SB folds.

Turn: ($1053) 8s (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG+1 bets $288.2 (All-In), Hero calls $288.20.

River: ($1629.40) 9d (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1629.40
Main Pot: $391, between BB, UTG+1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($391).
Pot 2: $1238.40, between UTG+1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($1238.40).

BB has Ad 5d Kh Ah (one pair, aces).
UTG+1 has 7s Kd Ks 7c (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has Js 7h Qs Td (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins $1629.40.

I have no excuses for this hand. I played every street badly. I deserved to lose. I must have been a touch on tilt. What is interesting is that the turn call looked good, but in actual fact made me even deader. NH. Not.

This one is bad, but there is some thought at least:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (8 handed)
saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($353.90)
MP2 ($1851.45)
CO ($390)
Hero ($1299.65)
SB ($308.40)
BB ($524.40)
UTG ($233.60)
UTG+1 ($187)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9s, 5c, 8s, 6h.
2 folds, MP1 calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BB raises to $42, MP1 raises to $140, Hero calls $128, BB calls $98.

OK, I’m loose as a goose here, but it now looks like they both have high pairs, maybe both even with AA. In that scenario my hand is quite good.

Flop: ($422) Th, 2d, 6d (3 players)
BB bets $384.4 (All-In), MP1 calls $213.90 (All-In), Hero calls $384.40.

This is far from a dream flop. But if my read is right, then even if one has the nut flush draw, this is an ok call. Unbelievable but true.

Turn: ($1404.70) Jc (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($1404.70) 6c (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1404.70
Main Pot: $1063.70, between MP1, Hero and BB. > Pot won by Hero ($1063.70).
Pot 2: $341, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by Hero ($341).

MP1 has 5h As Ad 8d (two pair, aces and sixes)
BB has Td 9d 8h 7s (two pair, tens and sixes).
Hero has 9s 5c 8s 6h (trips, sixes)

Outcome: Hero wins $1404.70.

Arrrrrggggghhhh. My read was very, very bad. In fact I was almost drawing dead. However, compared to the first hand this was World Class Play :-)

So. An amusing slant on a rush? Not to worry, I have played *some* hands well too.


Milkybarkid said...

You really do seem to be on a rush at the moment!

I am surprised you resisted posting the hand that you won a nice pot against me with. ;-)

SimonG. said...

Spawny get!!

I *almost* came close to feeling sorry for MP1 in the second example... I might have to check my records and see if it was me......lot of it going on just lately!

Big Dave D said...


I'm afraid our hand was an example of a bollock squeezing exercise :-)

To make you feel better, I had an even more impressive hold in the 5-10 hilo last night. On the flop I had top pair, uncounterfitable nut low draw and a low str8 draw. On the turn I hit my low, also the low str8 and picked up the nut flush draw...which then hit on the river!

3/4d a nice 3k pot :-)



Big Dave D said...


The real tragedy is for the BB....he outplayed me, outhought me and outflopped me. He has the satisfaction of playing the hand very well, although too agressive for my tastes. But you can't spend those satisfactions :-)



SimonG. said...

First thing that I noticed was that MP1 did nothing wrong. In fact, I also like the way the BB played it as you point out.
So, 2 players play it fine, 1 player is sucking on air. Quite clear who should scoop then....

Aksu said...

"OK, I’m loose as a goose here, but it now looks like they both have high pairs, maybe both even with AA. In that scenario my hand is quite good."

How applicable is "range on hands thinking" in PLO. AndyW has nice example of this for hoeldem in his blog. There he points out that he has odds to call pot sized allin bet with 22 against AA-99 AK AQ.

Now instead of putting two opponent on high pair. Can you just put BB (who had possibility to move in but did not => AA not likely) on something like 4cardstraight/KKgoodgood/good2pairs and work out some percentages to guide the flop play? Of course good players do this by experience, but mathweenie newcomers like me like to see fancy calculations ;-)

I'm too lazy to do it myself and PLO is not my area anyways, just an idea.


Big Dave D said...


Of course the range of hands thing is a relevent approach. In fact that's what I do when in previous posts I have talked about EV over a range of hands. I'm not going to do it for this particular example as accepting that I played the hand badly, there is little point pulling further teeth over the affair. But if you plug the hands into twodimes and give the BB KKQQ or the like you will see how my hand shapes up. Of course the key is how often he has that vs t987. Another point is that not everyone goes bonkers with AA. In this case, player specific and money left to bet, you are right he probably should and would go allin preflop. But often if you know you cant get enough money in preflop to make the flop a no brainer, and you dont have position, the correct thing to do is just call.

Nice post!


Aksu said...

True. I've seen you use range of hands concept.

I guess what I was looking for was distribution of possible hands and rough guidances what is a minimum flop to call a pot bet with given the assumptions.


Potless said...

I noticed a sly reference to 5/10 in one of your replies - is the rush extending there as well?

Big Dave D said...

Potty, sweet potty :) I had a quick dabble in the PLO8b 5-10 and got hit by the deck, as the hand I described illustrated. After a short session I had won $2.5k and the game kinda broke up a lil. That 5-10 can be a great game, or with a bad lineup, one of the worst PL games on the Net. Nice to be hit and not run over for a change :)

Beyond that all 2-4 and 3-6.



Big Dave D said...


The main problem is I'm not convinced that PokerCalculator is always right. So the only way to do the numbers is by a spreadsheet and handcranking through twodimes. Unless you know another sim? Of the top of my head, with 3 to 1 and no more betting I would guess you only need 10ish "pure" outs to be +EV in this situation. Although clearly, on retrospect, this wasnt the case here as I should have factored the case of him having a wrap hand here when he just calls.