This post was going to be a review of Rolf's new book, but I couldn't be bothered. Over the last month or so, since the bubble burst, the NL since has taken a battering. The crypto network went pop, and Betfair have made the inexplicable decision to borrow PokerChamps software, which not only doesn't have hand histories, but shuts the door on all that PT shenanigans. Maybe it was deliberate.
I have been putting in the hours playing a fair chunk of limit hilo, having my usual rush followed by my usual crunch, although this time I have managed to stop playing before I have started losing money in the game. Anyway, envious of MBK - in a good way I might add - I thought I would give PLO a spin again. (Short interlude, I think its telling of all the poker bloggers etc that Ben has bounced back from a crushing setback. Ok, Gryko too but that was awhile ago. Cue Neitzche quotes.)
Here are some hands I'm proud of:
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $744.80
UTG+1: $1000
MP1: $1022
MP2: $1104
CO: $1669
Hero: $957
SB: $580.50
BB: $1865.30
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with :as :8d :ah :5c
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $45, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero raises to $80, 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Flop: :kd :2h :jh ($345, 4 players)
MP1 bets $342, 2 folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $342 returned to MP1.
Results:
Final pot: $345
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Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
3 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Button: $714.20
Hero: $1509.80
BB: $1689
(Important note..this Foe is very, very aggro)
Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with :4c :5s :8c :9h
Button raises to $35, Hero calls, BB folds.
Flop: :8d :as :5c ($80, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $79, Hero calls.
Turn: :7c ($238, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
River: :2c ($238, 2 players)
Hero bets $100, Button raises to $310, Hero calls.
Results:
Final pot: $858
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I just noticed Pete had an interesting post on the ennui descending on the current spate of internet players. My fists got tired thumping the air with joy and my feet sore dancing with glee at the demise of these D&D playing mother-fuckers.
(Please refer to the last post and its comments if this outburst seems a little odd.)
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First hand:
Why raise at all with junk aces? I dont quite get it, but I have a feeling that we may learn something if you care to explain.
Second is too tough for me to tackle, shorthanded and player dependant make fine excuses.
Aksu
Aksu,
Well first off, a call would be fine here. Obviously I am too deep to full pot reraise and not give all these players, some of which were good, splendid implied odds for my obvious hand. By mini raising, I get the chance to stack someone having a brain flip with say good kings.
The second hand was very interesting. This guy was maximum aggro and I "knew" that he would have value bet a flush draw on the turn, as so many PLOers do. SO the river bet was twofold. It was a value bet. But also I absolutely didnt mind if he reraised as I felt sure he would be bluffing if he did so. Thin but confident.
gl
dd
By all means, please do review Rolfs book :-)
Hi Dave,
Like he said, I wouldn't raise junky aces unless very short perhaps, as you just don't have as many ways to hit a good flop and mostly will just have 1 pair in a multiway pot where you can't bet most flops and have to c/f. In your second hand, my requirements for continuing to play with bottom 2, in the rare times I do, is that I have something else to go with it, the same as if I had middle or bottom set and weren't sure if I were up against top set (when I am sure I pass for sure). This especially goes for flops with an A as players are so indiscriminate in PLO in playing trashy suited A hands and high card hands with any A. An exception I would make with bottom 2 is where there is a different uncoordinated high card there than an A, and I am against someone strongly marked with aces and who will overplay them. So in summary, I would have let it go on the flop. Also as a further note, you mention villain was aggro. In that case, unless I were getting a lot more odds on my call pre with other players in, I don't like to take junk up against players who play junk. I save that for running down weak tights whose main flaw is overplaying AA :).
Regarding your CP articles in the euro edition, I loved your closing line in your penultimate article, "And even if the antes are imaginary, you can still spend them.". That was so funny but probably lost on most as they probably didn't read Sklansky's post in the 2+2 HSNL forum about "your invisible ante".
In your latest article you tout hi/lo no qualifier declare games. With the net driving the B&M scene as you allude to, I can't see declare games coming back into popularity, and even if players online wanted that, the already slow nature of games with more cards and players having to interact with their hands in draw games, means that the sites probably wouldn't want to slow it down further. Also even in B&M play, another factor is that declare games can be more ameniable to collusion.
I myself was glad to see stars add triple draw and 5 card draw games, but think as I noted in a 2+2 post that they screwed up royally by adding nl options there. Limit 2-7 and pl 5cd are what have always run best and will last. Nl formats, unless in 2-7 with just one draw, never will go long, and just end up sapping any momentum the other formats could generate. I would love to see higher stakes PL 5CD games go, as even most americans either forgot how to play, or in the case of the young no limit kids, never learned, just like they never learned 7CS. There is a lot of game theoretically derived expert strategy there that can give a good player a solid edge, assuming other players are too tight or too loose.
BTW, now that Rolf has gotten your foot in the print publishing door so to speak, I expect you to parlay same into a column in a national newspaper in the UK, and fill the shoes of the great popularizer of poker, Mr. Spanier, whose writing I always enjoyed.
Note: forgot to sign post above. Obv by BluffTHIS!
Gelford,
I have wrote it...I just can't be bothered to type it in :( Soon, I guess.
gl
dd
Bluff,
When I said proud, I guess I should have said "proud of improved thinking". In the AA case I would have previously either reraised the pot or just flat called. In the short handed case I would have probably made a right hash of the river. But all your comments are spot on.
The CPR article would have been better if they somehow hadn't screwed up the title. It was supposed to be called "Imaginary Friends".
I appreciate the Spanier comment. I loved his stuff when "growing up" and have at some time bought and read all his books. But I'm not in his class, and I find the writing just too damn hard. And they just want tourney faces it seems.
gl
dd
Dave,
Do try to be a more diligent blog administrator and delete the fckng spam above more quicly :).
Bluff
Hi, Just starting out with my blog and have linked to yours as you were on my reading list! - little unsure if this is the correct protocol for exchanging links but v much appreciate a link back! I am at
http://plan3tgongpoker.blogspot.com
Cheers, Mark
Dave
I've commented a few times on your blog in the past. I'm currently embroiled in an AAxx hand in an online forum. I'd appreciate your input.
Is it possible to mail you somewhere ?
Thanks
Kevin
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I think you played it pretty well.
Tx Dave. I did too :)
dd
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